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Default Capital Ships Compared - Lore

Game balance and all that junk aside (), how do you think the capital ships measure up in combat?

At its simplest, this is a comparison between the Battlecruiser and the Carrier. If we want to complicate matters, we can throw in the Warp Ray (dubious whether it will retain its status of semi-capital ship now that the Carrier is back) and the Mothership (even harder to decide since it may be a supporting unit or a giant killing unit of DOOM and stuff).

Complications aside, for some reason the Battlecruiser has always struck me as more impressive than the Carrier. I mean, the Carrier is beautiful and "technologically advanced" but there's something to the Cattlebruiser's simplistic roughness, and I've always thought it was a bit bigger (going back to the Alexander in BW's opening cinematic, I guess). At the same time, I'd say that the "super"-Carriers are probably a lot more powerful than the elite Battlecruisers, so the Gantrithor would probably have been more than a match for the Alexander, or the Norad II, or the Hyperion.

What's the general consensus? Who'd win in a 1v1 "real StarCraft" scenario, a BC or a Carrier? What about if we throw in some of the newer units?
 
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1v1? Definitely Battlecruiser. Yamato then take it down. Carrier just doesnt have enough firepower.
12v12? We might have a different scenario.

I found it interesting that Blizz decided to add that super-carrier lore to the page. The Gantrithor was never really designated as a "super" carrier. I definitely didnt think it could take out an entire battlecruiser squadron.
 
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IF i am understanding correctly you saying how we tink a 1v1 battle would play out if we went from lore and such?

Then i surly would say the carrier would win. The BC is a massive ship with dozens of batteries but a carrier is a shit that carriers immense number of fighters. I do believe they carry "hundreds of thousands". So wuts better? 500 to 5000 fast rebuildable disposable interceptors or 1 BC? (p.s. the inceptors {from the cinimaxs from sc1} are about a tad smaller than wraiths)

A Supa Carrier surly would pwn any BC.

But then again i forgot to account for the BC's own flight crew full of ships of their own. But Carriers got them beat there too. They make many disposable fighters while the BC cant afford to loose all its ships or sacrafice normal crew mates to fly the ships.



But in thw world of starcraft 1 and 2.......BC pwns the carrier hands down!

So real life - Carrier pwns BC....well not pwns.....but it would be a close battle ( my vote went to carrier )

In-game - BC pwns Carrier from sheer power
 

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Don't base it purely on an in-game scenario. Just because a carrier in the game only has 8 interceptors doesn't mean that realistically couldn't hold/control hundreds. Yes, both ships are likely able to hold a considerable amount of light or medium-sized fighters, the battlecruiser has its multiple laser batteries, and the carrier its interceptors, but I still think the protoss shields would be able to withstand that Yamato Gun blast with enough strength to take down a battlecruiser.
 
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I voted BC.

I don't know about the laser batteries, but many Battlecruisers will be armed with Yamato Cannons. Yamato Cannons are designed to smash powerful things like Carriers.

Also, units influence lore and vice versa. The Carrier is launching interceptors with small weapons against heavily armored Battlecruisers. Wraiths are also small, but they were armed with big honking armor-piercing Gemini missiles.
 

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But as zero and i have said, the carrier has hundreds of thousands of interceptors and shields that probably withstand a Yamoto cannon blast. Sure the BC is all hight and mity with its inside crew, lazer batteries and YC. But the bc, unlike the carrier, will run out of fighters. And without fighters all them disposable interceptors have free range at the BC. Plus, they could basically become scurges if they wunted to.......just ram the ship........i tink 400+ interceptors ramming a bc could so considerable damge.

I'm not saying that the carrier would always win but that the carrier has the advantage in all aspects
 
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I don't know if Zero is right on that. Thousands?

Real-life aircraft carriers carry dozens of fighter jets. I don't think the Protoss Carrier is that different. In the cinematics, they look like they hold more than eight interceptors, but I don't think I saw more than twenty. Certainly not thousands.

Also, real-life aircraft carriers carry a variety of aircraft, something Protoss Carriers don't have the luxury of doing. Real-life aircraft carriers often carry strike fighters (these carry glide-bombs or anti-ship missiles) in addition to aircraft like the F-14 Tomcat designed to shoot down other aircraft.
 

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We have no proof that the carrier houses more than 8 interceptors. Even if we did, interceptor attacks aren't made for piercing that neosteel armor.
 
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Aye, it's like innocent until proven guilty. Anyone have any canon information stating how many interceptors a normal carrier actually maxes out at? We KNOW they have at least 8, it's probably safe to assume based on cinematics and common sense that they most likely have at last several times that number, but it's total speculation to say they have hundreds or even thousands of interceptors. One-on-one, I vote for the Battlecruiser, assuming it's outfitted with a Yamato cannon. Without Yamato, it's a closer call.
 
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Heh. I voted Carrier. This thread amuses me.
 
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In-Game, a BC always beats a Carrier, because the Carrier blows as a capital ship. It's meant to kill small things, and that position was refined into the Tempest, while the BC was always about dealing 25 dmg per shot and yamotoing larger, tacticle objects, such as carriers. If you want to talk about hard counters:

Warp Ray > BC > Carrier

Or, it was, until they slaughtered the Ray by making it ATG... fucking retards.
 
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They were described to be like a robotic hornet's nest. I think that's saf to assume the is a LOT!
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If you wan't to talk lore or 'realism' as you guys are trying to hide as lore think about this: The BC was DESIGNED for Anti-Capital ship and heavy ground support warfare. The Carrier was designed for general combat use and command ship operations.

The Battlecruiser will win because it is DESIGNED to take massive hits (or lots of little ones) and keep on coming to return them. The Carrier wasnt designed to take massive hits,but spread carnage over a wide area,elegant like.

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Lore wise - Carrier. Especially the super-carriers:

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guys you have to remember that lore wise the protoss are a hell of alot more advanced then humans
so really when you compare the military technology of the 2 races you have to come to 1 conclusion
the carrier is gonna kick ass

just look at the military technology of today compared to that of ww2
the ww2 people would get sloughtered 1v1
 
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